Mark Kelly:We heard you just fine...
Jon Oaks:Thank you.
Jon Oaks:AMATYC 2014 Webinar will start in approx 22 minutes.
Jon Oaks:Welcome Kathy I'll use the mic to make sure you can hear me just fine.
Kathy:Hi. Yes I can hear you fine. Thank you.
Spencer Slade:Yup. I can hear you. Thanks!
Scott Barnett:I can indeed hear you. Thank you.
Jan Roy:Hi Jon. Yes, I can hear you!
Fred Siegeltuch:Loud and clear.
Britt:I can hear!
Mark Kelly:We are a group at LMC
Jon Oaks:Hello, guest... who are you so that I can record you on the attendance sheet. Thanks!
Fred Siegeltuch:In CA Intermediate Algebra includes exp & logs. Not so in IL. What about Michigan?
Fred Siegeltuch:So how do you know what is beyond IA?
Britt:Do most MI colleges only require Basic Algebra before Statistics?
Steve Tuckey:"Includes inferential" means hyp testing?
Steve Tuckey:Well... I try.
Steve Tuckey:Brief is good.
Steve Tuckey:;-)
Steve Tuckey:Is there any talk of institutions making this a feeder for Discrete/Finite Maths?
Steve Tuckey:Yeah, I didn't know if folks would be retro-fitting their existing finite courses.
Lois Bearden:How do you know if your Math for Elementary Ed course is strong enough for the MTA? What went wrong at LCC?
Fred Siegeltuch:How difficult is it to switch from one pathway to another?
Jan Roy:Math for Elementary Teachers is beyond Beginning Algebra, so why wouldn't it count in the QR pathway?
Jon Oaks:Another issue with the Math for Elementary Ed right now is that the Michigan State test was recently updated as well.
Jan Roy:Who judged that Math for Elem Teachers won't count?
Steve Tuckey:The updated PRE test presumes a great deal of fore-knowledge (beyond the scope of most Math for El.Ed. courses). Well worth looking at for those teaching it.
Jon Oaks:Yes, Steve, I agree...
Steve Tuckey:Yup
Jon Oaks:Where would a geometry course fit on here?
Lois Bearden:Jack, did I hear you saying that if an institution judges its Math for Elem Teachers strong enough to satisfy the QR pathway, that it will be accepted by other insitutions as satisfying the QR pathway
Jan Roy:When do we find out what universities will and will not accept? It leaves our students in limbo with their native students having Intermediate Algebra for a gen ed but not MTA. Now they might not be accepting QR courses?
Jan Roy:I feel like this is worse for our students than the MACRAO. I was hopeful that they were actually going to get more options.
Steve Tuckey:I may not be recalling, but is there any equivalent stipulation on who teaches the courses in the QR and CA pathways?
Steve Tuckey:The stats path has some requirement that it be taught by math faculty, right?
Mark Kelly:If the Math, like QR is not accepted, does that void the MTA
Steve Tuckey:Hmmm... Another possible worry about Math for Elem. Ed. -- might be taught by TE folks?
Mark Kelly:Are most people who are creating a new QR course sticking with that name to make it clear that it meets MTA?
Steve Tuckey:Indeed, which is why they might be reluctant to accept a Math for ELem. Ed course at unis.
Jon Oaks:I agree with inconsistencies in names... we're considering renaming our college algebra & trig class accelerated precalculus.
Steve Tuckey:Yeah, that could be a "selling point" for them to be officially "college level"
Mark Kelly:Could QR be a prereq for a
Jon Oaks:What if a student takes trigonometry only? Or is that expected to be part of precalculus now?
Mark Kelly:sorry, STEM pathway?
Mark Kelly:What do we think will happen to Intermediate in the future?
Steve Tuckey:At Jackson, we're actually building a new Algebra course, but are keeping the Int.Alg. for those folks whose programs (non-transfers) require nothing more.
Lois Bearden:What text are you using for your QR course?
Steve Tuckey:We're not excited about it, but that was the best we could swing with admin and our other departments. (They were very displeased with changing pre-reqs.)
Jan Roy:What was on your earlier slide about performance funding?
Britt:At Bay, we are looking at creating a below college level QR course that serves as a pre-req for our Liberal Arts Math course. Is anyone else?
Steve Tuckey:At Jackson, we've built DevLevel courses for the stats and the QR paths.
Steve Tuckey:Stats is going well, but the QR is rocky.
Scott Barnett:At HFCC we are running MATH 081, Mathematical Literacy for College Students, this fall. It will feed into QR.
Jan Roy:We have been working on the same thing Scott is talking about, but if the universities aren't going to accept it, what's the point?
Scott Barnett:Has anyone had any luck getting WSU to take the QR course for transfer?
Scott Barnett:Sorry--yes, Wayne State. UMD and EMU will take our course without trouble.
Lois Bearden:The problem is, there is no well-defined curriculum for the QR pathway like there is for a traditional statistics or college algebra class.
Jan Roy:Our QR course transfers to the private, liberal arts schools only.
Jon Oaks:I'm under the impression that the only reason our Everyday Math class transfers to WSU is because we use the same book as them.
Steve Tuckey:Our QR course hasn't been tested out fully yet, I think. I need to bug the faculty on that, as well as our advisors.
Jan Roy:What book is it, Jon?
Jon Oaks:Also, once WSU started accepting our Everyday Math class, they stopped accepting our Intermediate Algebra.
Jon Oaks:It is the COMAP, 'For All Practical Purposes'
Jon Oaks:No... it's not the best textbook, but it's in a fairly readable format.
Scott Barnett:I'm sorry if this has already been addressed, but will the chat be available along with the rest of the webinar materials later?
Jan Roy:So what you're saying, Jack, is that we need a different MTA agreement with each university?
Paul Drelles:At WSCC we offer a Graph Theory class. Does anybody else offer one?
Jon Oaks:Yes. the chat is captured, but I will try to download it as well.
Scott Barnett:(Thank you, Jon.)
Steve Tuckey:No Graph Theory at Jackson.
Jan Roy:Then we need a diffrent MTA agreement if they don't take our QR course. For exaample, MSU doesn't accept our QR course. So for our students the MTA agreement with MSU would have to include College Algebra.
Jon Oaks:Graph Theory is part of our Discrete Math, but that's about it.
Paul Drelles:Our Graph Theory class is a new class designed for mainly ASM Tech students.
Jan Roy:So that's a different MTA agreement than FSU students have to follow.
Mark Kelly:Would it be possible to get a list of 4 year schools that have QR courses
Paul Drelles:ASM Tech students areEarly college students (dual enrolled) that will get their Associates degree and high school diploma in 5 years
Steve Tuckey: Thanks, Jack! You're always helpful and informative!
Kathy:thank you Jack and Jon!
Scott Barnett:Thank you!
Fred Siegeltuch:Thanks!!!!
Britt:Thank you!
Gerry:Thanks, Jack
Paul Drelles:Thank you